is it a way to catch up on technology? >> i think it's a lot of different things. over the decades, there have been all sorts of allegation, and partly it's just random hackers, partly crooks looking to scam your e-mail account or mine. partly it's corporations. for example, coca-cola, the merger didn't go through. and partly it is military,th chinese military trying to find what's happening in the u.s. military. the u.s. military is ahead in almost all ways, it's advantageous for the chinese to sneak in. >> mike rogers says right now there is no incentive for the chinese to stop doing this. if we don't create a high price, it's only going to keep accelerating. and the response to the mandiant report was, yeah, we hate this but we still want to do business in china. >> i think there's a long-term dilemma in the u.s. putting pressure on china. >> it's always been the case. don't mess with china. >> and public scolding almost never gets anything done with them because their first reaction is to stone wall even more. and so the u.s. finds it lace down a marker on some